just thought i'd share some gems i came across in the daily mail comment section. these particular words of wisdom relate, of course, to whether or not we should pass some human rights legislation which 'discriminates' against the poor little catholics.
anyway, i'd hate to distract from the well-thought-through and rational arguments presented below, so here goes (sorry about the formatting, it's late):
_______________________ How can this government complain about the decline of the "normal" family when proposing a law like this?
- Michael, Thetford England
_______________________ As Defender of the Faith, HM Queen Elizabeth II, should not sign this Bill off into law and the Archbishops need to remind her of the oath she took on her coronation. Having said that, HM seems to be on self-destruct; all the anti-British, pro-EU legislation she has approved, allowing the sovereignty of the nation to be given away to an undemocratic political organisation, has put the Monarchy into the position of being an endangered species.
_______________________ A consenting adult on personal time is one thing. Placing a child - created by a man and a woman - in an unusual ambiance by no choice of its own is social engineering at its worst.
- Giovanna, Rome, Italy
_______________________ This is not about equal rights. It is about forcing people to accept the ideology of homosexualism. If homosexuals want to adopt, let them go to agencies that cater for them. But don't let them force their views on others, particularly on those who are trying to put the interests of children first, which clearly means providing a home with a father and mother in a loving relationship.
- Ian Logan, Oxford, UK
_______________________ Let children only be adopted by man and woman in marriage. Perhaps Blair will get this one right.
- William Owen, Cardiff Wales
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i particularly like this last one. short, to the point, and utter bullshít. "build more orphenages! we can't have single mothers!" i suggest a child would be better off in care, than under the watchful gaze of your 19th century eye, mr owens.
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burn down our home, RAPE OUR DEAD MOUTHS. Just as long as I don't have to hear anymore of your disgusting babble
lol, daily mail is full of ****e, on the bright side theres now a online petition directly to government callin 4 ruth kellys head.... any1 wants the link i'll put it up & we can get the closet dyke fired
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I was reading somewhere that gay adoption is "expressly forbidden" by the Bible which I found intriguing as I didn't think they even had a word for "gay" in those days... Show me one passage from the Bible that says gays shouldn't adopt!
Seriously though, the entire issue comes down to the fact that the Catholics are trying to blackmail the government by threatening to close if the legislation goes through... But surely these agencies receive government funding? So if they do close then why can't the funds just be redirected to other organisations to allow them to handle the relatively small number of cases the Catholic groups handle (apparently 3 - 4% of all adoptions in the country.)
In fact, rather than waiting for them to get a huff on and close down, why don't we just close the Catholic agencies down now and put the kids they are caring for elsewhere - after all, if you were a tender defenseless young tot, would YOU want to be stuck living with a bunch of sexually frustrated Catholic priests??
-- Edited by RainbowWarrior at 23:25, 2007-01-26
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The bible won't say that explicitly but it does say somewhere about the sanctity of marriage between man and woman... blah, blah, blah... family...blah, blah, blah. If you're that interested I could ask someone who will know the quote???
I don't see how my, or anyone elses, sexuality would make a blind bit of difference on how a child in their care is raised. You can be a good or bad parent whether you're straight, LGBT, alien, single or in a committed relationship. Let's face it, how many peoples parents are still together/ in love now anyway?
(Sorry... rant over)
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Its pure bollocks, I'm not working n payin huge amounts of taxes to fund publis services & agencies, to be openly discriminated against by them. If am payin 4 the damn things, I should be given the exact service that I am paying for.
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LUU honarary life member - Awarded 2006 // LGBT Assembly Mentor 2006 -Onwards.
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My parents aren't together, which doesn't bother me... I think I've turned out fine :-S ish. Saying that though, I think I'm quite level headed and have a strong enough personality to cope with divorce... whereas my friend who went through the exact same thing reacted completely different to me! But I know I, in an ideal world where my parents were suited together, would prefer them together.. I think the thing is that as a child you want to see a loving strong relationship (that's not going to break up half way through your hormonal teenage years!) where you can get the suport you need right through life. Whether it's two guys, two girls, a hetro couple or two aliens it doesn't really matter!
my folks are together althought they are deffo not in love anymore! my mum thinks my dad is a flat slob n me dad thinks my mums a gym obbsessed neat freak! but i'm still ok but i no plenty of ppl who's parents split up or were brought up by single parents an there ok too.
does any one remember the papers going on about the dad that become the mum ? Well her parents split up because her dad felt he would be more comfortable as a women. He then got in a relation with another per op trans women. Which kinda made them lesbians. This girl schoose to stay and live with her dad and his new partener although many people objecting but at the end of the day she was his flesh and blood. She still lives witht htem happily and tells ppl wer to stick.
At the end of the day we are animals and all need the same fundemental things:
- Food - Water - Shelter - Love - warmth etc the list could go on.
So what does it matter if we identiyfy oursleves as queer or a single parent or straight parents. If you can provide all aspects that is needed forlife then in my opinion you deserve to be a parent.
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hmmm, well i've yet to make up my mind on this issue. on the one hand, a loving homosexual relationship is no different to a loving hetero one, which is allegedly capable of raising a child, and i dont see why people should be barred from their basic natural right to raise children just because of their sexuality. However, a child raised in by a homosexual couple does face a lot of issues and problems. I know a lot of ppl here may come from families where their parents have split, and they have dealt fine with it, but statistically speaking, and not meaning to affend (or however u spell it) anyone, children from a broken home or being raised by one parent do have a lot more problems later in life emotionally and sometimes mentally. Also, the fact that we live in a world where the majority of people are straight means that the child is more likely to be straight, and growing up in a gay household could give the child similar feelings of being 'wrong' that a gay child often has to deal with.
In the end i think people need to put aside all this talk of religion, rights and politics and remember that the child's welfare is what counts and what all this is (supposed to be) about, and think whether a normal healthy child can be raised by two people of the same sex. I'm sure that there will be people around and certain children in this program that will be perfectly healthy and happy, but the grander scheme of things needs to be taken into consideration
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Ditzy_fck wrote: Also, the fact that we live in a world where the majority of people are straight means that the child is more likely to be straight, and growing up in a gay household could give the child similar feelings of being 'wrong' that a gay child often has to deal with.
But, don't you think that by being gay, you yourself would probably have been through periods wherein you felt different or even perhaps "wrong" in your household, and so would work harder to ensure that your child didn't go through this. You would raise your child in an environment that encourages acceptance and understanding of everyone from an early age, so that they knew in themselves that they are loved whoever they are (even if they like U2).
I'd beat my child if it listened to U2.... It's true though, I used to be against the idea beacuse I thought kids raised by gays would grow up to be bullied and not happy, but then why shouldn't a happy gay couple raise a kid any better or worse than any other couple. A child raised by a stable and happy gay or lesbian couple could and probably would have a better life than a lot of kids who are raised by abusive parents, single parents, or Respect voting hippies who wont let it drink coke or eat milkybars.
Not that I'm trying to slag off single parenting, because in the majority of cases i'm sure the kids turn out fine, but if we are going to make sure that every child is raised in a "normal" family environment then the first thing we need to do is ban parents from seperating or divorcing whilst they have children under the age of 18, the second being to release all criminals from prison if they have children, so that they can be with their children in between being a danger to society.
Not that I want kids or anything, i'd be a **** parent and would probably lose my kids in asda on a regular basis, but to say that gay or lesbian couples would make unfit parents is an unfair generalisation, hence the laws that are going through to allow it.
i think you're wrong on at least one point there hani, i know that the only reason i felt wrong about my sexuality growing up -regarding my parents- was because i believed them to be homophobic and this created feelings of confusion and made me feel like i could never come out to them and that i had let them down.
but a child brought up with same sex parents would have the benefit of a more open minded upbringing (in most cases). Also i don't think any gay parents would put any expectation on their children to define themselves as anysexuality therefore there would be no feelings of wrong or that they had let their parents down. whereas most straight parents simply presume that their children are straight full stop.
I think gay parents would be more open minded but i also think they may over compensate for the fact they're gay and make sure their children are well rounded with plenty of contact with straight couples to make sure that they knew both angles.
I do agree in the bullying thing although kids get bullied for loads of reasons i.e. being ginger or fat. but not all ginger or fat kids get bullied. So kids of LGBT ppl may not get bullied.
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It's a difficult topic. I can't really decide on this topic. I personally don't think I would have children myself, I don't think the society we live in is accepting enough. But I think my views are changing, I can't give a definitive answer. But speaking from my own experience, I think I'm ok after divorce etc, but I worry my brother will not be able to cope with the abuse that could arise from having a Gay mum... he isn't old enough to understand properly or a strong enough person to tell bullies where to stick it. Myself, I think I have the personality strong enough to cope with it and support my mum, but he is different.. I dunnno, I guess he will cope.. My mum is scared he will one day turn around and want to live with my dad.. at which point I will kick his ass. ANyway I'm mumbling... POint is, I can't decide between the love a couple could give and the problems the child could come across growing up. So guess this post is a bit pointless isn't it. Oh well. Time to waste. Need sleep.
All kids get bullied at some point. If someone here hasn't been the subject of some kind of abuse here I'd be shocked (and not because this is the LGBT)
I've personally come accross more bullying to do with apearances and race than sexual orientation. Probably just where I was brought up. My friend finally got the guts to tell me her mom was a lesbian when we were in year 8. I already knew and I told her that. I also told her it was fine and that I'd stick up for her. Yeah she got a bit of stick from the class idiots but when you've got someone else there who isn't afraid to stand up and tell them where to go they tend to back off. The biggest hurdle she had to get past was trying to act like it didn't matter to her. Because she was afraid of "coming out" as such about her mom the bullies saw that and exploited it. When she was happy with it they backed off coz there's no fun in taking the piss out of someone if they are happy with it.
At the end of the day they might get some bullying but it's just something that every kid has to go through. Most are lucky enough to have a good friendship group around them to look after them. At the end of the day if they have two parents at home that love them and care for them they should be able to get through it.
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in my opinion the goverments main priority should not be to ensure religious organisations dont discriminate against gays it should be that children are being kept away from families on the basis of a belief. Its my opinion that no child should be kept by a religious organisation in the same way that faith schools are a bad i dea they promote intollerence by teaching only about their own beliefs which leads to a clash when two people of different religions meet.
Also the arguments all seem to be based around the notion that a child needs to be brought up in a home with a mother and a father yet religious agencies often give children to single foster parents.
another note they say that they fear children will be abused by same sex couples well let me point out that the NSPCC said most child abuse cases occur within the family stating its normally a father uncle or other male member abusing a yound female child.
Also last year i seem to remember an legal row over compensation to over 100 boys who were abused by senior clergy members some of these in childrens homes.
I want to say also ok say the chursh is right and that putting a child with a gay family means that they will not have a good childhood its got to be better than being stuck in a childrens home terrifide that father michale is coming to make you get down an say your prayers.
if they are offended by my suggestion that all priests are peadophiles then wake up and smell the irony!!!!!!
once again ofcoms details can be found at ofcom.gov.uk
But I bet the single foster parents are religious!
I agree that there are lots of unsafe environments out there for children but hving gay parents won't make them more likely to suffer abuse. You normally find that children suffer most abuse when either in a home or with their natural parents (unwanted pregnancies and such).
Also, weird as it sounds, many people think you can make someone gay. I know my flatmates believe they can catch it off me!
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let he who is without sin cast the first stone. little old woman steps forward chucks huge rock. bloody hell mrs judas i dont halth hate you some times
I'm tempted to punch the next one who shouts something at me
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