Just a quick message to let you know I have decided to step down from my role as chair of the society, handing full responsibility for chairing the committee into the very capable hands of Alison.
There are plenty of varied reasons for my stepping down, but the main one is that I feel that I can’t work with the committee currently in-charge. They have made my role as chair difficult and have made some decisions which not only go against my principles but go clearly against our constitution – the rules in place to protect members. I won’t name names, or even instances that I have had problem with, but in my resignation to the committee I cited irreconcilable differences as the main reason I decided to resign.
I have really enjoyed the past three and half years being involved with the LGBT at Leeds. I have met some great people who I love more than the world and don’t regret a thing. Thanks to all the friends I have made and support I have received. I won’t disappear altogether though. I am still a member of the society and will be at coffee hours and events occasionally, so I can continue with getting to know all the fantastic people I have met since September.
Anyway, I wish the committee luck with the society. I hope it continues to be a success and I hope it’s ordinary members get more involved in shaping it and making it their society.
With Love
JOHN K
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Johnk
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i think you should tell us all what decisions have been made that in your opinion go against the ethos of the group.
i think it's really important to continue this talk, and with your resignation to review certain policies and question why such a dedicated member/chair! would feel so strongly about having to resign
If you have a concern about the society's "policies" feel free to voice them to the committee and we can do something about them. Posting anonamously on our forum like that doesn't help.
I also don't want to start an argument over the merits of this, but as it was me who broke the society's constitution as John has mentioned I'd like to justify my actions.I handed over a copy of our member list to the societies officer John Schless because the exec need this information for health and safety reasons and without it the society would have been shut down for failling to comply.
-- Edited by Adam at 02:00, 2005-11-12
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This is what our consitiution says about membership details and confidentiality:
The right to confidentiality is reserved for all Members, and this right will be upheld by the Committee. No personal details or information passed to the Committee in confidence will be passed on to individuals or bodies either within or outside the Society without the prior express permission of individual Members in the first instance.
The exec 'threatened' us with closure. It would likely not have happened. My problem mainly was that we submitted to the whim of the union without question, rather than challenging the policy and upholding the privacy and confidence we owe our members.
This was a drop in the ocean where my reasons are concerend though, and that was not the only time the whim of the union was unquestioned or challenged by the societies committee.
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Johnk
The only freedom that you’ll ever really know
Is written in books from long ago
Just for clarification, the union exec is bound by the data protection act, and membership lists for ALL of the LUU societies are locked away safely. No-one apart from a member of the executive with a health & safety inspector can access those lists. This is either to:
a) make a note of how many members are in each society (not who's joined what, its simply just a number, such as LGBT 172, Kabal 50, J-soc 300 - all these numbers are made up) for insurance purposes. or b) in the incidence of an accident at a society event occuring and an insurance claim been made, the list of the society been accessed and name checked up as proof of membership to that society and therefore been covered by the unions insurance policy.
These health and safety measures are in place to protect members, all of the information is remaining confidential, unless there is an incident where a name needs to be checked up for insurance purposes. Also as part of this health and safety legislation we are writing out risk assesments for events we are putting on.
Due to the union building been a public building, it has to follow health and safety legislation set out for it, or it faces closure, or a fine. This will have a knock on effect if the union is closed or fined, because we will not have a space for coffee hours/free use of union spaces for events or funding for the society, please remember in all of this we are funded partly by membership fees but mostly by the union.
These measures for the union have to be followed to ensure safety of all within the union building and insurance for all active members of LUU. Also compliance with health and safety measures have to be followed and funding applications, recipts of purchase etc and detailed financial records of the unions income and expenditure (including societies) have to be in and up to date to fall in line with the policies of the government charity commission, by January 2006. This is because the funding of ALL university unions, will be taken over by the governments charity commission in January. If their policies aren't followed by any of the unions, the unions in question will either be closed or have their funding cut. This again will lead to negative knock on effects for the society and its members.
At the end of the day the only time that confidentiality and data protection can be broken is in the instance of health and safety, to persons that are at risk of harm, either from themselves or others. Due to the nature of events that we run in predominantley heterosexual places (eg. Pubs on Otley run, bowling, cinema's... list is endless) there is a risk of this happening. I for one know that if anything happened to a member, I would want them to be covered by the union insurance so that they can make a claim, if the need arose for whatever reason, rather than, them not being able to and/or us being held liable for breaking health and safety law.
As events officer and currently holding a position in the union, which holds me accountable for LGBT students, I have a duty to protect their interests both on university premises and on these organised trips.
There are boundaries of how far confidentiality can stretch, especially when it concerns health and safety legislation. Also just to point out, when people joined, they joined up to a Leeds University Union society, this means that LUU has ownership of its societies and members, for which it is bound by law to protect. This protection comes in the form of health and safety, and data protection, which can only be broken by health and safety. Because the unions purpose is to ensure the welfare of all students, I can't understand why someone would object to providing a societies membership list to the exec ensuring adequate and appropriate insurance policies can be put in place, especially when the information will be kept within the boundary of confidentiality for a number of reasons, these being that the list is locked in a secure environment, only certain nominated individuals have access to this and the union as a body is bound by data protection laws and therefore can't pass on such information to anybody else, unless required in making a claim, for which the individuals permission would be sought beforehand.
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Nic - Union Council LGBT Assembly Chair
Contact me at - lgbt.assembly@leeds.ac.uk / nicturner_85@hotmail.com
JohnK wrote: There are plenty of varied reasons for my stepping down, but the main one is that I feel that I can’t work with the committee currently in-charge. They have made my role as chair difficult and have made some decisions which not only go against my principles but go clearly against our constitution – the rules in place to protect members. I won’t name names, or even instances that I have had problem with, but in my resignation to the committee I cited irreconcilable differences as the main reason I decided to resign.
Sorry you felt like that John. Is a shame to lose you cos you have done alot for the society in previous years. So far this year, the committee have all been unhappy in thier jobs due to differences and I don't think that there is one member of the committee who hasn't thought of or been close to standing down at some point this year. Also sorry that you felt these made doing your job difficult, but again like I said, the rest of the committee at some point have all felt that the differences have made their job difficult in one way or another. I'll admit right now that the differences have made organising events absolute hell, which isn't nice, because events is a stressful position anyway and I've been very close to tearing my hair out and quitting the committee, due to the differences turning what should have been an enjoyable position into a ****ing nightmare.
I'd like to know what the other decisions made that have gone against constitution are, because the only one that springs up, is the membership lists. (see above for an explanation). Sorry to lose you from the committee and best of luck with your course.
Nic x
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Nic - Union Council LGBT Assembly Chair
Contact me at - lgbt.assembly@leeds.ac.uk / nicturner_85@hotmail.com
John's loss may be pivotal for he has the capability to be very good at his job, as he has shown in the past. I do however look forward to working with a more united committee from now on and think alison will be great on her own. I have been close to standing down on occasion, but that's things in my personal life inhibiting me from hanging around the society as much as i wanted. If i'm disliked for this people are already well aware of my ambivalence. I would ask us as a committee to be judged more on what we do than what you hear about us, especially in unproductive slants such as these. If you have anything productive to say or constructive criticism i can assure everyone we take this deadly serious and objectively, we are after all committed to the smooth society we all love. Join the committee! It's ace!
Whatever the reasons for you leaving John, and I know there has been many a ruction in the past year or more within the committee, I thank you for being the person that you have been, and for taking the role that you have within the society. It has to be said, no matter what may have happened this year with the committee, when I joined the LGBT, (or LGB as it was), it was nowhere near as political as it has come to be, and I think that - certainly in my first and second years - that was largely down to you, as I know how much you personally believe in standing up for LGBT issues and rights.
Well done love, and happy birthday for yesterday. Wish you all the luck in the world with your PGCE, and may you have many Fortune Coooooookies to come!
sasha xxx
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thaidave wrote: I would ask us as a committee to be judged more on what we do than what you hear about us, especially in unproductive slants such as these. If you have anything productive to say or constructive criticism i can assure everyone we take this deadly serious and objectively, we are after all committed to the smooth society we all love. Join the committee! It's ace!
Can't agree more there. We work our arses off in our positions to keep the society running, so if you are going to judge the committee, please base it on how we are running things.
Been on the committee has its perks and if you are interested in any of the positions, by all means run for them at our AGM in feb!
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Nic - Union Council LGBT Assembly Chair
Contact me at - lgbt.assembly@leeds.ac.uk / nicturner_85@hotmail.com
I'm going to miss John's presence in the committee not just because we both joined the LGBT committee at the same time (my own sentimental reason...), but also because his work and dedication have been priceless, and he's, in my opinion and view, the one single person who's done the most for this Society in the last year and a half.
It's sad to see your work stop here, honey, but I'm sure that you'll be great in whatever you do.... and that you'll do it with style. Mwah! xx
-- Edited by AlbyFC at 19:28, 2005-11-14
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