christian union thrown to the lions

The loud one

christian union thrown to the lions

Adam · *Censored*

Surely the problem there is that the majority of religious groups do offend people, but the people they offend are just other religious groups anyway. I'm more inclined to pity them than call for them to be closed down...

The loud one

ah yes quite however there is the point that we are promised freedom of speech without others having to sacrifice their dignity. Im slightly concerned that these groups are complaining about their rights being infringed when ther go around calling others perverts and condeming them to hell. if this goes through it could be the start of a huge shake up the end of preachers as we know it..........on second thoughts burn them burn the witches

ChipsAndLube · Bertha, lovely Bertha, you are a lovely machine.

the CU came begging to me to open an account today.

they always seem like such nice people, until they tell you they're from the CU. they scare me, they really do.

anyway, computer said no ;)

Sally · Big Gay Al

unfortunately we just need to learn not to care, for the sake of freedom of speech. no one should waste any time listening to anyone who calls gay people paedophiles. what a load of silly idiots.

The loud one

ah ha ah ha yep im getting thaat sally. I can see your point however i find the best way to deal with people is to ignore them however if they still keep going on and on and on the way they do then an ak47 works too

Rt hon NickyDyke85 · Lord of the Rings

Evangelical intolerant groups who incite hate should be shot

ChrisH · Mmm eyebrows!

Theres been a lot of talk about the PURE campaign thats going around CU at the moment, but I'm sure it's nothing that other religions aren't doing either. I think it's fair enough if you want to belive in one thing, but if it gets to the point where you're forcing your belief on others thats where the line has to be drawn.

Scotty · The saviour of mankind

I dont feel threatened by the christian union at all, i would like to think that even though our views perhaps do clash there is little animosity between the groups. I have even been to evenings designed by CU and at no point felt discriminated against. I have friends in CU, they are good people.

And you can quote me on that louis....

The loud one

in all seriourness I feel it is a tribute to the LGBT that so many people have said that they agree with the freedom of speech option. It shows we are civilised and that we dont mind if people dont agree with us. it shows who are the adults.

Date: Thu Dec 7 16:24 2006

hear hear

sally x

The loud one

hmmm well im still standing by my original opinion despite reading a message from a CU member who states that the pure campaign is in the spot light purly because one book it recomends states homosexuality can be cured. He goes on to state that its not surprising that LGBTs take offence to this as they also take offence to the bible as it says we are wrong.

I would like to point out that i have no problem with the bible. im sure g-d does love me. and would also like to point out i was given a book by a christian group in leeds this book is a short story about the great tribulations that will occure before the rapture. the book makes a starteling point by saying Jesus at no point said sodam and gomorah were destroyed for the sin of homosexuality they were destroyed because they were full of people whom valued money over their fellow human beings and over the gifts given by g-d.

p.s.CU members i would like to mention i have no problem with your group and offer an olive branch of solidarity to you. i would like you to remember the teachings you follow which say that we are all loved by g-d and jesus and that we are expected to treat each other with mutual respect regardless of if we do not see eye to eye on subjects. Please dont try and changed my sexuality i dont try to change your religion. we simply ask you not to belittle us by suggesting we are inferior to you by saying something is wrong with us. i would never suggest that those with a religious belief were inferior to others despite what others think. this is the sign of someone civilised

also many believe that the true path to g-d is admiting when your faith is wrong because no one is right all the time

-- Edited by The loud one at 13:07, 2006-12-08

Date: Fri Dec 8 14:40 2006

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6161165.stm

Date: Fri Dec 8 17:18 2006

That article is ridiculous. The view that women shouldn't be allowed to vote is a traditional value in this country. That it is acceptable to enslave people is a traditional value in this country. Does he believe that we should be accepting of them as well?

And no, there isnt a difference between declaring a behaviour "unacceptable" and passing judgement on a group of people because to declare homosexual behaviour unacceptable is passing judgement on the homosexual lifestyle.

Silencing people who make attacks on a minority group is one of the functions of a democratic society, it has nothing to do with fearing open argument, it has to do with allowing lgbt students feeling welcome to use their student union facilities without being harassed. If the Christian Union here started harassing us openly in the student union I would expect the exec here to do exactly the same thing.

Adam
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Mosesbitch · One foot out of Narnia

The best way to deal with this sort of thing is to always try and be in open conversation. I think this tends to help people calm down and start to understand one another. Sometimes having an open conversation is upsetting for people, especially on an opposing view, but I do think the more people understand each other, the less prejudice they feel towards each other. Religious prejudice is as often practiced by some members of our community, as homophobia is practiced by some of faith. I implore everyone to work towards engaging with religious societies, either by getting involved in something faith-based or going on soc forums and discussing these points. My small group, the LGBT Bible Study Group is partly designed for this purpose. It will be re-suming after Christmas, so if you interested in these issues, please get involved.

The loud one

g-d spoke to me in a dream last night he said to stop the christians offending tell them to build their own university. he then said and your grandmother says the will is in the copy of the theasarus from 1977.

Ditzy_fck · Dame Poofy

i dont think its right to ban religious grps as religious students attending university should have as much right to feel comfortable and interact with ppl of their own faith if they choose to do so as we do to form an LGBT group. i dont think religion in itself is the problem, i think its actually quite a good thing in principle, its just certain ppl who are ****s. these ppl would find another medium for their views whether or not there were religions around

The loud one

sweetness they already did its called public access television and radio.... and of course theirs that whole politics thing. BTW once again everyone seems to be voting yay on freedom of speech.

the only christians i have a problem with are those that stood protesting for the BNP they are just so obviously out of touch with what all religions quote. i dont ever recall jesus saying kill all the blacks gays jews and asians for they are evil how about you.

Adam · *Censored*

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6232869.stm

And on it goes...

"Dr Williams said that while the views of evangelicals on the issue of homosexual sex may be "embarrassing" to liberal Christians, traditional values should not be compared to holocaust denial or racial bigotry."

WHY NOT? Racial bigotry is a traditional value too you know...

-- Edited by Adam at 11:12, 2007-01-05

Sally · Big Gay Al

heh exactly. people often hide behind tradition when they have a prejudice, its so transparent.

Date: Fri Jan 5 16:59 2007

oh well let the evis sit there condeming others afterall they are the ones locked in a paradox of saying that g-d is perfect and infalable yet saying that gays are a mistake. (hmmm confused much)

I would like to say that its silly to classify homosexuality as an illness as it neither
-causes pain or anguish on a physical or mental level
- Affects the individuals ability to carry out the activities of daily living
-It does not shorten the individuals life span
-It does offend some people but they are not offended by the person prior to learning about their seuality
- And although some individuals become upset about their seuallity and launch into a spiral of self hate this is usually the cause of external pressure to change and confrom to the "norm"

Because of these factors and because most homosexuals live out a long healthy life and can function in their jobs it is stupidity to say that you can cure it. also as it is geneticly proven that there are differences in brain hormone recepters saying it can be cured using psycho therapy or electroshock it is ample to saying that all christians could be cured of a delusion of the existance of jesus using the same treatments (i am not saying that jesus doesnot exist)

Ditzy_fck · Dame Poofy

i agree with what your saying about theyre prejudices being wrong, i just dont think its right to continuosly blame religion for these peoples views, since the majority of them stem from traditional cultural values rather than religious ones, as the alleged stories against homosexuality in the bible and koran - dunno bout the torah as havent read it - can easily be interpreted as against paedophilia or obsession with material wealth. Other religions such as hinduism and buddhism dont say anything about homosexuality (as far as i know although i could be wrong) yet india and pakistan are notoriously homophobic countries and societies, even outside the muslim parts of the country. religions cant be blamed for dogmatic cultural views as they dont necessarily have anything to do with religion, jus people's own warped interpretations of life

scarymary · Forum Addict

burn em burn em all

Rt hon NickyDyke85 · Lord of the Rings

hear hear!

With this whole religion n homosexuality thing.... where do Jedi's stand on the issue, seems that they are an official religious minority in the uk

Shogg · Posting Addict

Rt hon NickyDyke85 wrote:

hear hear!

With this whole religion n homosexuality thing.... where do Jedi's stand on the issue, seems that they are an official religious minority in the uk

Jedi have a oneness with all living things. Therefore they love gay people. They are fictional. What does that tell you ?

In cynical mood. Sorry.

Shogg · Posting Addict

ChrisH wrote:

Theres been a lot of talk about the PURE campaign thats going around CU at the moment, but I'm sure it's nothing that other religions aren't doing either. I think it's fair enough if you want to belive in one thing, but if it gets to the point where you're forcing your belief on others thats where the line has to be drawn.

Bingo....to be honest, I have a spiritual bent (well, lets be honest, evrything is bent!) but would die if I thought I was pushing it on someone....and no I'm not a christian...

I'm all for free speech but you are quite right to say there is a line to be drawn. That line is when you begin to impose on others lifestyle/system of belief/religion.

Or something.

blondelottie · Gay Lord

I believe in freedom of speech but I also believe that you can't judge anyone till you've walked a mile in their shoes (Coz then you're a mile away and you have their shoes..hehe)

But seriously I always believed, and was taught, that as a christian you should respect and love evryone for who they are. You should treat others as you would expect and want to be treated yourself and many other religions teach this. Of course there is always the risk of extreamists interpreting things the wrong way but that would happen with anything.

Yesterday me and nic walked past the g-d woman in the middle of town and she said told us in not so many words that we were going to hell. The funny thing about this is that I'm a reiki healer and I don't think I've actually had a proper conversation with anyone that believes I will go to hell because of my sexuality.

I felt, and still feel, really sorry for that woman. If she really believes this then it's bad for her because concentrating on hate and hell is how people get so short sighted and bitter.

I think she needs a hug and a cup of tea in the ARC with us... who wants to invite her?

:op

Rt hon NickyDyke85 · Lord of the Rings

Shogg wrote:

Rt hon NickyDyke85 wrote:

hear hear!

With this whole religion n homosexuality thing.... where do Jedi's stand on the issue, seems that they are an official religious minority in the uk

Jedi have a oneness with all living things. Therefore they love gay people. They are fictional. What does that tell you ?

In cynical mood. Sorry.

Do not correct me :oP

Jedi is actually a recognised religion in this country, seems as several thousand people listed it as their religion in one of the 1990's censuses, which I've been lead to understand is the official source of information with regards to breakdown of the populations statistics.

Shogg · Posting Addict

Rt hon NickyDyke85 wrote:

Shogg wrote:

Rt hon NickyDyke85 wrote:

hear hear!

With this whole religion n homosexuality thing.... where do Jedi's stand on the issue, seems that they are an official religious minority in the uk

Jedi have a oneness with all living things. Therefore they love gay people. They are fictional. What does that tell you ?

In cynical mood. Sorry.

Do not correct me :oP

Jedi is actually a recognised religion in this country, seems as several thousand people listed it as their religion in one of the 1990's censuses, which I've been lead to understand is the official source of information with regards to breakdown of the populations statistics.

Hmmm....not strictly true. It's certainly true that a lot of people listed Jedi as their religion in the last census and that was reflected in the results, but that doesn't mean that it's a recognised religion. Recognised religions are qualified by the Home Office and Jedi does not appear on that list. It doesn't even exist on the list of unrecognised religions...currently the Home Office don't recognise Satanism, Rastafarianism and Nation of Islam.

I did far too mcuh research into this stuff for a certain organisation......

God it was fun

scarymary · Forum Addict

blondelottie wrote:

Yesterday me and nic walked past the g-d woman in the middle of town and she said told us in not so many words that we were going to hell. The funny thing about this is that I'm a reiki healer and I don't think I've actually had a proper conversation with anyone that believes I will go to hell because of my sexuality.

I felt, and still feel, really sorry for that woman. If she really believes this then it's bad for her because concentrating on hate and hell is how people get so short sighted and bitter.

I think she needs a hug and a cup of tea in the ARC with us... who wants to invite her?

:op

is she the fat one with blonde hair on briggate?she's funny

Laura · Vodka! Books!

Mary and her valid opinion

blondelottie · Gay Lord

she had grey hair and an old womans beanie hat!

I think we should invite her for coffee then watch her face as she slowly realises that she's drinking tea with a load of "GAYS"

:op

Shogg · Posting Addict

blondelottie wrote:

she had grey hair and an old womans beanie hat!

I've got one of them....doubles as a tea cosy...

The loud one

the problem with religion is its followers. religions have been highjacked by extremists whom take something beautiful and valid and twist it into a message of hate. the messages of love have been forgotten. sogg i think your right people need to decide where the line should be drawn i suggest here a place where people can sit and talke respecting each others opinions and respecting each other. heres a suggestion we let everyone have their say but if they cant treat eachother with respect we cut out their tongues with a rusty spoon.

oh and invite the woman to coffee hour and watch the look of horror appear on her face as she realises shes having tea with gays....... looking at the LGBT members that would take all of 5 mins.

blondelottie · Gay Lord

I didn't think the LGBT members looked that gay. I was quite suprised when I went to my first coffee hour!

:o)

Shogg · Posting Addict

The loud one wrote:

the problem with religion is its followers.

Organised religions are, almost without exception, evil. I have no problems with Christians who genuinely follow the teachings of Christ and have responsibility for their actions. What pisses me off is that most religions are an excuse to let the Church take responsibility for their actions....

I'm all for spirituality, those who've seen my facebook page will know that and I'm very fond of the quote 'Religion is for people who are trying to avoid hell, spirituality is for people who have been there'.

religions have been highjacked by extremists whom take something beautiful and valid and twist it into a message of hate.

***Quite. How did a doctrine of peace, compassion, love and tolerance become a vehicle for such hatred?

the messages of love have been forgotten. sogg i think your right people need to decide where the line should be drawn i suggest here a place where people can sit and talke respecting each others opinions and respecting each other. heres a suggestion we let everyone have their say but if they cant treat each other with respect we cut out their tongues with a rusty spoon.

***Harsh, but fair

Laura · Vodka! Books!

Shogg wrote:

The loud one wrote:

the problem with religion is its followers.
, love and tolerance become a vehicle for such hatred?
....

***Harsh, but fair

Hey shogg, if you want to quote, don't delete the stuff in the greater than /less than signs, jut delete the words then write what you have to say after the last blockquote things...
i have a feeling mine could no do somethign wrong!

-- Edited by Laura at 16:06, 2007-02-07

Shogg · Posting Addict

Laura wrote:

Shogg wrote:

The loud one wrote:

the problem with religion is its followers.
, love and tolerance become a vehicle for such hatred?
....

***Harsh, but fair

Hey shogg, if you want to quote, don't delete the stuff in the greater than /less than signs, jut delete the words then write what you have to say after the last blockquote things...
i have a feeling mine could no do somethign wrong!

-- Edited by Laura at 16:06, 2007-02-07

Darn this new fangled teknolergy

Date: Thu Feb 8 10:56 2007

burn the gays burn them all

pope ratzinger

Shogg · Posting Addict

Anonymous wrote:

burn the gays burn them all

pope ratzinger

Ah the voice of reason.....

tsk.

blondelottie · Gay Lord

I agree!

lol!

The loud one

Ugh who invited the pope

Rt hon NickyDyke85 · Lord of the Rings

Speaking of the pope and related stuff, for his death, we have to turn to and have faith in prince charles (liverpool f.c & cricket fans also have too). I know this may sound insane but really we have to put faith and hope in him and his magical powers, heres wot I mean...

1981
1. Prince Charles gets married
2. Liverpool are crowned Champions of Europe
3. Australia lose the ashes
4. The pope dies

2005
1. Prince Charles gets married
2. Liverpool are crowned Champions of Europe
3. Australia lose the ashes
4. The pope dies

Its too much of a coincidence for it to be anything other than a conspiracy... I say we split him & Camila up and get him to marry someone else...

-- Edited by Rt hon NickyDyke85 at 11:02, 2007-02-24