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should red ken apologise for the remarks he made to the ES journalist? [9 vote(s)]

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http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1415070,00.html

and were his comments racist? i personally can't see how they were and i agree with him wholheartedly.

what do you think?

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i'm confused. i just read the article and i'm not entirely sure what's going on.

is he being accused of being racist for likening someone to a concentration camp guard? if so, then it's not in the slightest bit racist. it seems a bit odd that he's called a racist when he was saying exactly that about the newspaper.

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funny how almost the entirety of the media have glossed over exactly what ken objected to: the dubious interest of a rightwing rag in an LGBT event.

the point he was making is that these hacks don't give a flying fúck about anyone, so long as they make their money. like a nazi prisoncamp guard, they are only in it for the money.

it is odd: why would the ES want a photo of everyone leaving that particulary party?

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best way of gettin ya point across 2 twats like that r likening them 2 nazi's, works 4 me

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I totally agree with him, maybe he didn't voice it in the best way but he is totally right, the Daily Mail are nazis and that is that.

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and just to reinforce his comment, most people are unaware that the daily mail only withdrew its support for moseley's british union of fascists (BUF) when an affluent jewish advertiser threatened not to use the mail any longer. hence ken's accusation that the rag and its 'journalists' will do anything for money.

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::Jewish community leaders and Holocaust survivors have demanded an apology from the Labour Mayor but Mr Livingstone has consistently refused to apologise either to the reporter or the Jewish community.::

Why?

I'm sure this is just one of those very small extremely reactionary sects that hears the word 'Nazi' and immediately demands an apology. If gay people did that, we'd never shut up.

::Labour colleagues on the London Assembly yesterday backed a motion, passed unanimously, calling for him to withdraw his remarks.

An official complaint has been made to local government watchdogs by the Board of Deputies of British Jews, demanding an investigation by the Standards Board of England. ::


Hmm, OK maybe this is starting to sound a bit like media furore over nothing. Or worse, something engineered by & seized upon by Labour to try & get him out of Mayoral office and stick in one of their own candidates.

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he was re-admitted to the labour party. although i think he still grates with blairites.

it's tony doing a bit of pre-election brown-nosing if you ask me

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...But surely as a mayoral candidate he's still an independent? He was elected as one, and have there been any elections since? (Seriously have there? I'm not up on London politics )

The point is, it's a position where he does have a certain degree of autonomy. As this "news report" shows, he has his own mind and isn't worried about speaking it.

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since he was elected as an independent, he was re-elected as a labour candidate after being allowed back into the party.

it's not a case of him speaking his mind (although i do admire him for that), it's a case of his integrity, something which most politicians lack these days.

and i will be voting labour at the next election, although tony's had his 15 minutes of fame. hilary benn has been tipped as a possible successor (though prob not for a good few years), and he's the kinda person i want to see at the helm.

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and yes, it is an autonomous position, so tony has no place to suggest he apologise.

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Ironic, don't you think, that it is those who scream 'PC Gone Mad' who rile at even the slightest of comments.

Ironic, is it not, the the Mail group were the mouth-piece for the anti-semites in the first half of the 20th Century.

Ironic is it not, the it is the Daily Mail that is guilty of bigotry and hate, not Ken Livingstone.

Maybe if the Mail and its group of papers spent more time accurately reporting the news rather than promoting xenophobia, homophobia and bigotry, spent more time debating the issues rather than hounding down a story to score pre-election points for the Tories and perhaps if they spent more time thinking about what they were writing and perpetuating rather than tarnishing the name of one of the most honest and down to earth politicians this country has got, we'd all be better off.

Bring that paper to my coffee hour at your own peril. I'm all for freedom of speech. Just not blatant hate and crap journalism.

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Ironic, is it not, the the Mail group were the mouth-piece for the anti-semites in the first half of the 20th Century.
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while i whole heartedly agree that the mail is an appallingly bad newspaper, i do think it is entirely misleading to refer to a position the newspaper held such a long time ago, probably before all the current staff were even born.

i think it should also be remembered that the mail is a business. there is definately a market for bigotry wrapped up in pseudo-broadsheet journalism. if the mail didn't fill that gap, someone else would.

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Am all for crap journalism, theres nowt better than reading The Sun, at least its full of tits, breaks down all the pages of writing n crap

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while i whole heartedly agree that the mail is an appallingly bad newspaper, i do think it is entirely misleading to refer to a position the newspaper held such a long time ago, probably before all the current staff were even born.

i think it should also be remembered that the mail is a business. there is definately a market for bigotry wrapped up in pseudo-broadsheet journalism. if the mail didn't fill that gap, someone else would.
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How is it misleading? I reffered to the papers history of bigotry, one that it still purports.

Do we just accept bigotry because it will always be there or do we fight it? I'm willing to fight it, no matter what its guise.





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if the mail didn't fill that gap, someone else would
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and it probably is good that the mail fills that gap, because it does it so badly and thereby makes it easier for people to show how its 'journalism' is little more than ignorant, hate- and fear-filled lies.

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