The Pope: A Man With A Mission

JesusBitch · Forum Addict

The Pope: A Man With A Mission

Adam · *Censored*

quote:
Originally posted by: JesusBitch
"The fact is he was a moral man and believed that what he believed in was right."

You could say that about Hitler, if you happened to have the appropriate point of view.

Is there really much difference between the Pope and Hitler though?

Both were powerful figures, who picked on and alienated minority groups, in the name of doing what they believed was right. For Hitler it was jews, for the Pope, it was opposing the use of contreception,1 claiming that AIDS can be cured by Saints if you believe hard enough.

I will stop demonising the Papacy the day it stops demonsing me.

1 Quoted from an msn conversation with Dave.

-- Edited by Adam at 02:05, 2005-04-06

NickyDyke85 · YouCanaeSmokeNayHashOn'Ere!

I agree wi Adam on that point. I find it hard to respect a bloke that spent his life discriminating against others

Spacegirl · Poster

Hey Jesus Bitch,

Sorry to say that I can't agree with you on much of what you say about ole Popey, despite the fact that you are a cuddly bunny and a good laugh too come to that.

Not only did he spend a great deal of time and energy alienating gay people by his homophobic provocations but just after nearly every country in Europe at the time (2003 I think) except for Albania, Eiire and the UK had given gender rights to transsexuals he tried to turn the clock back by pronouncing against us.

Fortunately the UK has now rectified the legal situation ~ Gender Recognition Panels sit for the first time TODAY

) Yippee.

As you say JBitch, he resiled from the Enlightenment. As anyone who has bothered to look at gender in a developmental context knows, it is a full spectrum with an almost infinite number of graduations in between the two polarities, witness the huge number of Intersex conditions now recognised not to mention the ever increasing diversification of trans types.

But who wants to let scientific evidence get in the way of a nice bit of ancient dogma eh? Keep everyone in their boxes .....
The only regrets I have in seeing the old boy go down is that he appointed so many conservative cardinals that his successor is almost a dead cert to be even more of an intolerant right winger than he was.

Oh and how's this for contradiction: he was against the war and was quoted as saying he feared that GDub was the AntiChrist, then when Bush went to the Vatican for his blessing to get elected, he got it because of his stand against abortion and gay rights.

So it goes....

Love ya bitch,

Tspace grrl

-- Edited by Spacegirl at 16:08, 2005-04-04

JohnK · Pieces of me you've never seen

quote:
Originally posted by: Adam
"

You could say that about Hitler, if you happened to have the appropriate point of view.

Is there really much difference between the Pope and Hitler though?

Both were powerful figures, who picked on and alienated minority groups, in the name of doing what they believed was right. For Hitler it was jews, for the Pope, it was opposing the use of contreception, claiming that AIDS can be cured by Saints if you believe hard enough.

I will stop demonising the Papacy the day it stops demonsing me."

Go Adam, Go Adam, Go Adam.

An eloquent post that I completely agree with!

x

NickyDyke85 · YouCanaeSmokeNayHashOn'Ere!

only difference between pope n hitler is that the pope wer selected by church, hitler wer elected by his party n country

ChipsAndLube · Bertha, lovely Bertha, you are a lovely machine.

i wrote adam's post. plagiarist!

PeterJ · Dame Poofy

Plagiarist

PeterJ · Dame Poofy

Death

NickyDyke85 · YouCanaeSmokeNayHashOn'Ere!

RE: The Pope: A Man With A Mission

ChipsAndLube · Bertha, lovely Bertha, you are a lovely machine.

do they bury him in his hat, or is that a handmedown too? dead man's hat. sounds like a band name.

if i was pope, i'd certainly get mtv to pimp my ride. a golf buggy with furry dice, phat tyres and a growling beast under the bonnet.

Adam · *Censored*

quote:
Originally posted by: ChipsAndLube
"i wrote adam's post. plagiarist!"

You contributed an idea. Would you like a footnote?

ChipsAndLube · Bertha, lovely Bertha, you are a lovely machine.

that would be appreciated.

AlbyFC · You best sima!

My mother is quite annoyed these days because she says all you come across now is an unconditional and biased praise of the pope.

I wouldn't compare the pope to Hitler (not even in jest) because millions of people didn't die under his orders and because however much mediatic attention he's got, his opinions only got to warm up the kettle and seldom (not sure there, but I'm throwing my stone!) conditioned any governmental policies. Not long ago he criticised the upcoming Spanish Same-sex marriage bill and a few other things, but our president didn't even bother paying attention!

People want to give so much importance to the late pope and to his work, but they fail to see the Catholic Church hasn't got much of a saying in any matters any more.

Adam · *Censored*

I think the problem is that the catholic church still thinks it has the same power it used to have. I don't mean the pope is literally like Hitler, just to point out that they both were in positions of power from which to impose their biggotries, just in different ways, obvioulsy the Pope doesnt have the power to do what hitler did, but I'm not suggesting that he would if he could. Its easy to justify the Pope's decisions by saying he was a moral man or he truely believed in what he was doing, because Hitler believed that he was doing the right thing, it just depends on your viewpoint.

AlbyFC · You best sima!

I know what you mean, Adam. I just thought the comparison a bit too strong, that's all.

And thank God the pope is not literally like Hitler. Can you imagine the pope with that ridiculous moustache? The idea!

Mwah!

NickyDyke85 · YouCanaeSmokeNayHashOn'Ere!

he was origionally goin 4 the german porn tash look n slipped wi the razor...

JohnK · Pieces of me you've never seen

quote:
Originally posted by: AlbyFC
"

I wouldn't compare the pope to Hitler (not even in jest) because millions of people didn't die under his orders and because however much mediatic attention he's got, his opinions only got to warm up the kettle and seldom :"

I sort of disagree with you Al.

The African continent has a vehemently devout Catholic population, for whom the Popes every word is but gospel. His false claim that the HIV virus is curable and his dismissal of contraception. Indirectly he has caused the death of millions of people through this and has left thousands of ill children orphaned. Somehow this is brushed under the carpet when we think of his good.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4405967.stm The first news report I have seen dealing with negative views on the Pope.

JesusBitch · Forum Addict

I don't of course as I said think the Pope's views were o.k, (how could I?). What I just wanted to highlight is that human relations are not as simple as dividing people into goodies and baddies. The Pope took the expected stance like every pontiff before him, he did view homosexuality and the intermediate sexes per se as evil and morally disordered, women as inferior ect. However he did do some good points, most notably in restoring the co-operative connection between Christianity and Judaism. For centuries the Catholic Church has been steeped in ant-semitism and the hatred of God's Choosen People. He reaffirmed theologically the validity of Judaism and that Christians are in fact previlaged guests of God because of the revelation of God to the Jews. My main point is this, a man's life cannot simply be observed from a collection of contraversal quotes and soundbites. A man is greater than the some of his parts

P.S- Good news about the passing of the Act Space-Girl, I'm glad those politicians are doin something rigfht for a change! But make sure you keep those pricks in Whitehall on their toes. POWER IN THE DARKNESS- STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOU'RE RIGHTS!

-- Edited by JesusBitch at 11:29, 2005-04-07

AlbyFC · You best sima!

quote:
Originally posted by: JohnK
"

The African continent has a vehemently devout Catholic population, for whom the Popes every word is but gospel. His false claim that the HIV virus is curable and his dismissal of contraception. Indirectly he has caused the death of millions of people through this and has left thousands of ill children orphaned. Somehow this is brushed under the carpet when we think of his good.

"

That's disgraceful!

I didn't even know that. *Takes stone back*

JesusBitch · Forum Addict

I just can't believe the Catholic Churches utter stupidity

AlbyFC · You best sima!

That article is VERY interesting, by the way. Thanks for sharing it.