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aww so i went to the night. so it was dead. DEAD. and i dunno, what's going on? how much better would it be if the two societies got together and did a big night at the bassment once a month? i dunno, it was a bit weird to have this night happening whilst the wakefiled trip was on n stuff. hohum.
The reason we had to do the Wakefield trip last nght was because we have really neglected our BRetton counterparts and last night seemed like the perfect chance for us to do something with them.
Wakefield was good - it wasn't busy, the music was sh!t but we got to meet some really nice people and have a laugh.
Sorry about it clashing with K!LASH!
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Plus Bretton had e-mailed and asked to meet up and do something together, as well as suggesting the nite :o) Sorry that it co-incided with K-LASH. My bad
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nah i reckon the bretton trip sounded cool, i just get the feeling the two societies don't work together for the better if you know what i mean. i dunno, i'm not really in much of a position to talk when im not a member of either.
Currently we have an open invitation for Leeds met to join us on our events and send them our events lists, they do same for us. We have neglected Bretton alot tho & well it seemed like a brilliant opportunity so i didn't wanna turn it down, plus its up to our members where they wanna go n which one they wanted 2 go 2 :o)
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quote: Originally posted by: NickyDyke85 "Currently we have an open invitation for Leeds met to join us on our events and send them our events lists, they do same for us. We have neglected Bretton alot tho & well it seemed like a brilliant opportunity so i didn't wanna turn it down, plus its up to our members where they wanna go n which one they wanted 2 go 2 :o)"
Ditto Nic
Thought the LGBT at Bretton are a society in their own right, the poor access to resources and the effect of such a small campus, means their job is doubly hard. It is our job to represent them too and that means getting tem up here - and also us getting down there.
I suppose the same problem faces Leeds Met LGB(T). They are small, underfunded and practically brand new. They do need our support - and we give it.
The events which we provide though are open to all students in Leeds - regardless of which institution they study at.
John x
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Theres also a few LGBT students from the met who have joined our society. It's not that we don't get on or work 2gether cos we usually communicate regularly bout events that we r running. Was jus differing circumstances this time round
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i was just wondering whether it would be better to have an all conquering all knowing student LGBT covering both uni's heh. although it would take a lot more work i appreciate that. anywho both socieities appear to be tres successful from what ive seen. i just thought amalgamating the two would enable bigger events n stuff.
i think the met lgbt r lovely, but am sorry 2 say Tara am against amalgamating to create one all round LGBT.
The main reasoning for this is that our unions are different & am not sure how yours is ran, but we've got union council seat & an LGBT political assembly starting up in september, as it currently stands leeds met students can't vote on anything going on in our union or have any involvement in changing our union's policies, so they'd be barred flat out from sitting on the assembly. Which am guessing wud annoy a few people cos we'd be seen 2b favourin our lot & i personally dun want any backlash. Theres also the problem then of if we do merge we gotta try & represent students spread over 5 campuses & 2 different university unions, somehow i can't c that happening.
The events stuff, like i've said b4, is open to any of ur LGBT who want to come to them, again if we merge we've got the problem of trying to split events like coffee hour up fairly between the universities & strike up a balance on what events to run & u cant have one/two people running round all week puttin on events left right & centre 2 cater 4 everyones wants & needs. As it stands at the moment u run alot of alternative events which r good, we run events that are a mixture of piss ups to cheezy pop music & general chilling events, jus think that the merging cud end up cutting down the choice of events for people to go 2.
While the idea of a huge supergay society sounds like it'd b really good, have you thought of the organisation/structure of it? How wud it be ran? How many positions wud u have on the committee? wud u try n fill it so there was an equal number of met & leeds students in the positions? Jus where would all of this be centred? How wud u strike a balance between unions? Sounds like alot more hassle than owt else wi things that would never get sorted, especially on the union & union policies side of things.
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Nic will tell you I tried to write something similar when caned last night. Oh wasn't that fun.
I agree with all that Nic has said, but would also like to add in the problem of funding.
How would the society be funded? LUU LGBT relies on the funding it recieves from LUU? Would we get money of Leeds Met SU to? Would it be proportional or equal?
Wouldn't a amalgamated society just confuse freshers?
I think the current situation is fine. We just need to help you guys at the met strengthen your society and support you whenever we can :)
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wasn't fun, wasn't comprehensible but it was funny watchin u spend a good hour tryin 2 type it n edit it b4 computer crashed n u gave it loadsa abuse :o) ur stoned rants r hilarious
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I've thought about all of the points you've made Nic and see possible ways around them without too much hassle, but would rather discuss them with your committee in person sometime.
Basically, the way things are looking it doesn't look like leeds met will have an LGBT society come next october (i might be wrong, we could wait and see), so i'm just trying to create some sort of compromise so there will be something for leeds met lgbt students. I can see why you might be against it as clearly its only really Leeds met students who will benefit from an amalgamation and it might mean extra hassle for you guys in the beginning, but possibly not as much as you might think.
Our Union has been less than helpful and i can't see that changing, for example, we get no funding.
we get no funding so it would make no difference it would be the same as if all our members joined your society which as it stands now they are allowed to do so all it would mean is that you would potentially have a bigger membership and people pay for your membership so you'd get more funds.
but if you guys don't care about it, it really is fine as i'm sorta passed caring myself.
I don't think its that we don't care, just that there's a lot of questions that need answering before anyhting can be sorted out. As far as I'm aware Leeds Met students can already join our society, and quite a few have done. I'll make sure it's discussed at our next committee meeting.
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quote: Originally posted by: Tararara " we get no funding so it would make no difference it would be the same as if all our members joined your society which as it stands now they are allowed to do so all it would mean is that you would potentially have a bigger membership and people pay for your membership so you'd get more funds.
but if you guys don't care about it, it really is fine as i'm sorta passed caring myself. "
Firstly I do care.
Leeds Met students can join our society as it stands - there are quite a few met students on our mailing lists and several come to our events too.
But because of the profile our society has in the union (ie it funded by LUU and the committee are part of the LGBT Assembly on Union Council) to combine the societies would be an organisational nightmare.
Also, if the society was officially combined but only one union paid for it, that also wouldn't be fair at all.
As Richard said, we will make it a matter for discussion at our committee meerting this week. But I doubt very much that the socities will combine.
-- Edited by JohnK at 20:58, 2005-04-30
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Sorry to hear that you've got problems wi ur lgbt n it might not exist next year. I do care bout it cos I think that all LGBT students deserve representation in THEIR university, we r happy for your members to join our society because we can represent them in terms of running events for them to go along to just like we do for our members (& urs who have joined us this year).
However an almagamation would not work, because we can't represent you in your union & you have no say in our union. Also as John said the union gives our society money to run on, merging and trying to use that money to cover 2 different unions would be impossible.
Another thing with the money is that the Union also give the Assemblies money for campaigns & awareness events around our union, theres no possible way I'd be able to split that to include a different university union, in addition to that, all the campaigns & awareness events, would be held at our university around our union because they are giving us the money for that purpose, my position on union council means that am a trustee of LUU & any money I get from the union for my assembly has to be used by my assembly & LUU to work on improving the LUU 4 LGBT students by putting forward new policies/amending old ones that are LGBT friendly & providing representation for any Leeds University student defining as LGBTorQ. Theres no way I'd be able to work ur society in2 this if there was an amalgamation, due to the fact I have to oversee the spending/running/campaignin of my assembly, keep our union exec/rest of the union council informed of how the money is been put 2 use because am held accountable for all of it & have to follow policies that are firmly laid out/set down by LUU.
On top of that theres the union policies, like i said b4 i aint got a clue how things are ran at the met, but to merge the 2 societies into a bigger one, would mean that both unions would need the same policies on issues that affect LGBT students, which would create a huge amount of hassle by having to look through both unions policies, negotiating changes, voting on changes, trying to get both unions to agree to the policies, making changes based on their thoughts, taking it through our council & having it voted on, making more changes based on wot they say, trying to agree on the final article, any more changes etc, going throught the whole process again, then when/if it all goes through, implementing the policies in both unions & running them similarly etc so everything fits, that in itself is near impossible 2 do, wud b an absolute ****ing nightmare to organise, then theres the trying to please all parties & everyone involved, even if u please a majority theres still going to be a minority who oppose, the NBS situation is the best example I can think of, cos I know you've banned the NBS from coming to your uni, fair enough like, we disagree with banning the NBS from our uni cos we can think of other ways of trying to change their stance on things. Such extreme splits of opinions & planned actions on issues like that would cause huge debates, then there would be problems tryin 2 find a middle ground 2 suit most people, get the unions 2 take the policies on (all the above mentioned stuff) especially if your union is as unhelpful & difficult as u say they r.
It really wouldn't work, to be honest I cud c any attempt at an amalgamation 2 create one huge lgbt covering both met campuses & our 3 campuses, both unions with the same agreed policies & funding from just one of the universities to try & represent LGBT students from both uni's politically, financially & socially being a massive **** up.
-- Edited by NickyDyke85 at 23:37, 2005-04-30
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I have to agree with Nic. In an ideal world it would be great if we could represent everybody fairly, but we have to be realistic about this. It will be discussed by the committee...
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If u wanna discuss ideas with me bout stuff Tara ur more than welcome 2, I can do stuff bout events and workin closely on them, but I can't do anything about merging the LGBTs
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Obviously I'm on the committee of neither society, but don't think merging the two would be a good idea, for the same reasons that Nic and John K mentioned. Ideally it would be great, but I really can't see a merged society working when Leeds Met and Leeds Uni have separate unions.
It's atrocious to think that the Met's LGBT might be shut down due to a lack of funding, and this is definitely an issue we need to do something about. I think the committee members of each society should perhaps have a meeting to discuss this and come up with a feasible solution.
Here are my thoughts and ideas for the running of the LUU lgbt'ers and the Leeds Met lgbt'ers. I had a conversation (mostly one sided with my views ) with Nic one of the events officers of LUU lgbt, you'll get the gist of where I'm coming from. .
Nic says: u read the whole debate on the merging issue?
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: not all of it yet .. i'm a real slow reader! I hate Law Dept lalalalala says: no worries, theres a lot on there 2 get thru
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: Nick has some valid points and I think while one super club ofboth uni's and possible additions would be a logistical nightmare too.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: On the day that I signed up for the Leeds Met LGB the sign in sheets where two pages long with roughly 70 to 80 students signed up (from what I could see anway, I don't know the true numbers of students that joined) .. so there is an audience here at Leeds Met. However due to having split campuses its hard for them to organise lunch time events and whatnot. I've only heard of four lunchtime events
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: in the year and I missed the two that were arranged here due to lectures clashing with their lunch events. (to the leeds met crew, I've only been aware of a few events and its been my busy life during my masters that has kept me from attending the evenings events, however I did enjoy my big gay chat the other week with you guys at the LUU lgbt )
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: here being at headingly as I have no classes in civic quater.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: So .. yes, there is an audience, however there isn't a way to find out who is an active member and who has lectures on what campus and no way to arrange to meet these 'unknown' people for coffee or a beer.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: The LUU lgb have funding for awareness .. I don't know and don't think that the leeds met lot do.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: Their website is terrible and hard to find I found and I didn't keep a bookmark as there was nothing of worth on it. No directions or events nothing.
Nic says: yeah
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: Maybe a way forward would be to have one committee member keep a register of all the students, their online names and which campus they study on.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: I'm searching for an online community I'm part of .. just give me a sec
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: http://dapride.deviantart.com/ these people have a huge list of all the members within deviantart.. maybe something like this could be created.
Nic says: ok, u puttin all this in2 the thread? cos it'd b brilliant to get the views of the met's committee on it & give us sumwhere 2 start from on helping them to sort out the problems
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: If LUU lgb spread their awareness just a little (I'll copy it across) and helped leets met with their own it would mean that the gay peeps at leeds met would know that there is a society and its co-joined (albeit with separate unions) with LUU lgb for its events.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: Everyone would then look to the LUU forums and you'd be able to address the entirety of students economically by organising events for each campus. Students would also be able to change their venues if they wanted to chill at headingly, leeds or civic quater.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: With lists of who studies where you'd be able to contact them with events targetted at them .. yes this is more work but its work that doesn't require funding .. just a person who loves people and getting everyone together.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: at deviantart the http://dapride.deviantart.com/ community is run by about four people.
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: each with their own tasks.. two of which is keeping the lists uptodate.
Nic says: yup
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: and they have 1,500 members!
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: all round the world who attend the weekly big chats (which I've never figured out what time it is as its set at PST time!)
Nic says: wow thats alot
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: sure is .. its a good community and its refreshing to see artwork geared towards our tastes.
Nic says:
Cath (designgeek.co.uk) says: Okay ... I'm gonna compile all this and put my thoughts into the thread. may take me a little while.
Nic says: ok cheers .
and that the end of a beautifull story! sorry for the extraordinarily long post, but it was easier and less time taken for me to post the coversation. I'm on a deadline and have only go so long to write and chat and everything .. I'll catch up on this thread later. Nic, thank you for pointing this out to me .. I would have missed it otherwise until much later.
No worries Cath :o) I thought I'd ask you for your opinions seems that ur a student at the met and have had involvement with both LGBTs, thanks for your comments & suggestions.
Cya later xx
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You have to understand though, what you are suggesting is a lot of work, and not necessarily something the commitee have time to do. Obviously I can't speak for everybody else, but as it is my job to keep records, your suggestions would involve a lot more work for me, and I'm not sure it is time and effort I would be willing to put in.
However I do think that it would be a good idea to make out LGBT open to Met students if they want, maybe by promoting our society at the Met, but it would have to remain our society as it would be run and funded by us.
I think the best way to deal with this is to make our society available to Met students, make them aware that we are here, and suggest that they sign up to our mailing list, and know about our events and our forum. That is all we can realistically do I think.
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It's an interesting proposition, but i think it would probably be a bureaucratical nightmare and could cause tensions. I agree with the committee that it should be discussed at the next meeting, but also believe that the proposition will fall.
It wouldn't cause tensions as such, but theres no way it'd happen, both of the unions are ran by seperate bodies, have a different structure, different policies, different decision making processes, doubt very much u'd get them operating in same way. Most of the work of tryin 2 sort it out wud fall on2 lgbt representatives from both unions to liase with each other, disscuss n agree how to work things, takin any proposals 2 the unions n a tonne of other crap, its far too much 2 try n sort out, far 2 much hassle, one of the unions wud b gettin **** all in return 4 everything. Theres no way it'd work especially when theres strict rules that have to be followed about our unions funding etc & the assembly chairs (me) are held accountable for our assemblies & spending... which has to be used by the assemblies to improve LUU and our campaigning, i can't **** around puttin money which will only just cover us, in2 LMU.
Ur union r also said to be difficult 2 deal wi & dont gi u representation. dya have an lgbt rep working closely wi u n ur union, who'd b willing 2 run their arse off 2 try n get things sorted? if u dont things definatley wont work cos there'd b one person tryin 2 do everything & from a union that has no say in urs, any chance of a merge being successful in these circumstances is extremly slim. Even if u do have a rep, wud they really wanna keep runnin between unions taking on shedloads of extra work, hassle n stress that isn't neccessary & they aint getting paid 2 do? I'll b honest now, I wunt do it.
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The committee met up tonight and we unanimously decided that a merge of the two societies would be unwise.
We have an official committee decided policy on the issue:
We believe that:
The distinction between our socities is important both within the context of each unions democracy, but also financially and logistically.
As it stands:
LUU LGBT Society is open to all students in higher education in Leeds - this includes the University of Leeds, Leeds Metropolitan, Leeds College of Art, Leeds College of Music and Trinity and All Saints College. All members will be able to attend events however voting in committee elections, speaking rights at general meetings and the right to be involved with LUU Union Council LGBT assembley is reserved for those members from University of Leeds.
The committee will ensure that we properly out reach to those higher education institutions wherever possible.
We resolve to:
Support LMSU LGBT Society wherever possible both in terms of maintaining the society at LMSU but also in terms of social events. [We will be officially inviting the LMSU LGBT committee to the next LUU LGBT Meeting]. We can work with them to set up constitutions and also lobby their own union to extend provision to them.
-- Edited by JohnK at 22:57, 2005-05-02
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) with Nic one of the events officers of LUU lgbt, you'll get the gist of where I'm coming from.
