Another one!

thaidave · Not Thai Dave

Another one!

Arsecandle · Admin Bitch

i thought this was going to be another "move into my house im wonderful thread"

thaidave · Not Thai Dave

Alas! I already have wonderful housemates... and as for the house, we are going to mortgage it

Arsecandle · Admin Bitch

surely they are not as delightful as i?

Adam · *Censored*

I'm a ****ing amazing housemate! And I'm bubbly!

Arsecandle · Admin Bitch

can you fix computers?

Adam · *Censored*

Of course. I reset them, then i hit them, then i replace them

ChrisH · Mmm eyebrows!

What is proverb 22:8?? According to the comic strip it is 'there's no time for your arrrrgggghhh' and I don't quite understand that bit but interesting none-the-less....

-- Edited by ChrisH at 09:42, 2006-03-09

chemicalfears · Queen of Quips

this website made me want to barf all over my computer screen.

good job i´m an ignorant sinner, otherwise i might actually CARE about such putrid lies.

viva la revolution de religion!

sash
xxx

falafel · Gay Lord

ChrisH wrote:

What is proverb 22:8?? According to the comic strip it is 'there's no time for your arrrrgggghhh' and I don't quite understand that bit but interesting none-the-less.... -- Edited by ChrisH at 09:42, 2006-03-09

Yeah, that one got me too.

And, man, that paramedic looks like he never gave up on the good times...

AliceH · Butter Me Up!

Adam wrote:

I'm a ****ing amazing housemate! And I'm bubbly!

And if the other housemates get poor (or the people living two streets down the road from you do!), we can always fall back on eating the guinea pigs.

Though living with Dave, you should probably lock up the guinea pigs lest he get drunk and mistake them for a biscuit.

Hani · Big Gay Al

omg, that was the most bigoted, manipulative **** i've ever seen. Lulling you into thinking that they're really thinking of everythin rationally when they're just brainwashing people. And i wasn't aware that it said anywhere in the bible that 'homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of god'. i'm pretty sure that word isnt even used in the bible.

northernlad · One foot out of Narnia

"you shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination and a perversion" leviticus 18:27, there are a few bad bits about gay people but that was the first one i found.

proughan · je suis perdu.

I'm not going to deny those verses are there. But i will say that they are only a handful of verses in 66 books of the bible. And also the works we read are works in translation that have been interpreted by men and seen through their worldview. Also translations that use homosexuality need to be taken with a pinch of salt as it only became a word this century.

However I will mention that the verses that can be construed as denouncing homosexuality are relatively few in no. seriously I think there are only about 13. On the other hand the verses that talk about how we should treat other people, look out for the opressed and the destitute, losen chains of injustice outnumber the homosexual ones by a ratio of at least 50:1

A full discussion of this can be seen in the Christian union homophobia thread.

Hani · Big Gay Al

hmm, well i just dont trust a religious book whose followers freely admit that it was changed several times by the monks in medieval europe to suit their own personal agendas

falafel · Gay Lord

Hani wrote:

hmm, well i just dont trust a religious book

Stop it at that and there's my take on the whole shebang.

chemicalfears · Queen of Quips

falafel wrote:

Hani wrote:
hmm, well i just dont trust a religious book

Stop it at that and there's my take on the whole shebang.

HALLELUJAH! SOMEONE FINALLY SAYS IT!!

sasha
xxx

proughan · je suis perdu.

Intellectually I have to see the fallicies in translation but that doesn't mean that the bible is not God inspired. The main message of the bible is about how you treat other people and living justly.

People just have differetn interpretations of how you do this and believe me some of those interpretations can be pretty wack. BUt at the end of the day I cant say which interpretation is correct all i can say is that I'll find out at the end. I know that I don't know everything so there is always a possibility of error but I believe God made me gay and wouldn't have done that if it wasn't right.

Hani · Big Gay Al

chemicalfears wrote:

falafel wrote:

Hani wrote:
hmm, well i just dont trust a religious book

Stop it at that and there's my take on the whole shebang.

HALLELUJAH! SOMEONE FINALLY SAYS IT!!

sasha
xxx

well, its not that i dont agree with religion in general. I am a muslim and i believe in the central points of the faith. Anything that was created to try and make people live better lives where they are more willing to help each other must be good. And even tho the central faiths have been abused by patriarchal bigots it still doesnt change the fact that the central message behind the concept of religion (compassion, purity and tolerance - kind of ironic really considering the topic) is a good one

chemicalfears · Queen of Quips

but here is the problem: you can´t MAKE a person lead a better life. it´s pointless. if a person is not willing to do it themselves, it will never be a REAL effort.

i personally don´t agree with following anything that´s written down. you have a mind: use it. it´s better than what the eyes alone can tell you.

also, sorry to say hani, but when you say that "the central belief behind the concept of religion (compassion, purity and tolerance) is a good one", you´re forgetting that most religion today is based upon books (books which have caused wars) when religion does not equal books - it equals the relationship between humans and everything else; god, the devil, shiva or the kami, whatever. anything else is, again, only in my particular view, a guideline.

For instance, in my religion, there are no holy books. People of high standing write some very thought-provoking stuff, but it isn´t issued by a higher being, and it doesn´t have to be followed...any of it.

The acts people commit based upon books are to my mind less understandable (and depending on intent, less forgivable) than those based on a person´s own thoughts and understandings, because being a slave to the written word does not make you intelligent or enlightened. it makes you a slave. at least going on your own thoughts and deductions is honourable.

As someone once said, "My only holy book is the Book of Nature" - the leaves and winds are its pages, the open sky the temple in which it´s found: but that´s just my view!

sasha
xxx

-- Edited by chemicalfears at 14:25, 2006-03-10

-- Edited by chemicalfears at 14:35, 2006-03-10

Hani · Big Gay Al

well not really. The religions nowadays may be goverened by their holy scriptures but that doesnt necessarily mean that these scriptures are the basis of the religions. If u were to go to any priest, rabbi or sheikh and ask them what the basis of their religion is they are most likely to say that it is to teach people to be better individuals and to be more loving in general to other people. We also forget that the wars and atrocities allegedly caused by religions are not necessarily so, but just the acts of evil peopl who are taking something meant for peace and 'interpreting' it for their own personal gains. if there were no religions around these people would still find a way. Also, we forget all the good that religions do. The various religious aid groups around, how church fairs bring communities together, and how people are more likely to be selfless and help perfect strangers because they've been brought up with a message of compassion to human beings

chemicalfears · Queen of Quips

i see your point hani, but i´m afraid i don´t agree. i just wrote a whole long list of reasons why, but there isn´t much point to it. i could go on forever about the evils i´ve seen done in the name of religion, but it wouldn´t do anything useful!

so, i reckon one of us has to be an optimist when it comes to religion, and i´m okay with it not being me!

sasha
xxx

falafel · Gay Lord

You're right, Hani; organised religion can be as compassionate as it is damning, if not more so. But that comes not from faith but - as you said - a compassionate upbringing. In a half century, if the dominant worldview were to be one that considered religion as justly punitive and judgemental, someone arguing from your standpoint would be as much of an embarrassment as Goegre Bush or Osama bin Laden are today.

It seems to me that arguments about which point of view a given doctrine supports only highlight just how inherently labile people's values are; people will always take what they want and leave the rest. At the moment, most people like the 'nice' stuff. That won't necessarily last.

Hani wrote:

We also forget that the wars and atrocities allegedly caused by religions are not necessarily so, but just the acts of evil peopl who are taking something meant for peace and 'interpreting' it for their own personal gains. if there were no religions around these people would still find a way.

I guess what I'm saying is that the same is true of the good people. Religion (as I said, like any aocial institution) is a very handy tool for the confirmation of one's own beliefs, whatever they may be.

If I had to have a religious book, however, it might be Whitman's Leaves of Grass, which I'm studying at the moment:

I believe in the flesh and the appetites;
Seeing, hearing, feeling, are miracles, and each part and tag of me is a miracle.

Divine am I inside and out, and I make holy whatever I touch or am touch’d from;
The scent of these arm-pits, aroma finer than prayer;
This head more than churches, bibles, and all the creeds.